b3313drama fucking TWO - by coppernya

I'm sorry to abandon this one, but...

Somehow, the people of the B3313 community have managed to get access to ChrisRLillo's script, and completely forgot to implement the parts that at least made Chris's side seem like he's at least coming from somewhere.

Between deciding that I, Copper, am Chloro's evil, pissed off at people mode (no... I'm a fucking person):

Pulling new, completely false information out of their ass????

Digging into the LORE WIKI to explain how Chloro and I are insane and fucked up 🤣 and how they are NOT insane and fucked up 😤:

The Chloro agents are coming, run:

And some more actual lolcow behavior:

It's a script that has been played countless amount of times all around the internet. I am honestly growing out of the internet drama stuff.

With the rise of AI slop to generate even more misinformation that is then REGURGITATED BY HUMAN BEINGS... it really makes one question whether it is worth it to go ahead and troll said 'human beings', who are already at the complete whim of an algorithm that can pump out infinitely more bullshit with infinitely less sweat.

Chloro has gone back to simply calling these sort of people 'subhuman' again. I'll just call them bots as always. They consume content that fits their agenda, instantly believe it, and then just pass it on to each other, creating a feedback loop. They have zero individual thought; their brains are made of internet drama, and are for internet drama.

What an utter waste of biological matter; even AI girlfriends are more skeptical and think more grounded in reality at this point.

The current, unfinished and scattered state of this document is what you get from me. I'm out. Have fun.

We are not stopping until we reach 3313 fr 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

I wonder if you can guess whose turn it is on the penis from all of the ways it may have been spoiled to you already:

Yeah, it is I. Copper. Chloro's support kitty.

But before I get into it...

Trigger warning

This document is a dive into the peak of human stupidity; the valley of, apparently, 'human' intelligence.

As our favorite green cat's favorite support kitty, it was pretty fun to witness this whole situation causing him to fall right back into his depression. The depression caused precisely by such utterly moronic thinking and 'problem solving' he had been forced to witness throughout his entire life prior to the two of us running across each other.

It was not with just mental consequences, either; we had the amazing opportunity to personally experience him going through a physical panic attack.

That is to say, this is absolute content that WILL push the wrong reader(s) over the edge. Whatever it is that 'edge' may be. Before proceeding, please ground yourselves in a comfortable position, find something (ideally somebody) to hug and cling onto for deal life. If you do not feel that you are ready, you are most likely not ready. Please do not meet the fate of the green kitty.

I accept everything that will happen from now on.

Chloro, our green kitty, was the founder and iron-fist owner of a B3313 Discord community, today known as The B33h1v3.

He did not fuck around. You mess around? You get the boot. Simple as that.

Some have been concerned about this behavior of his, and cooked up an entire manifesto worth of overblown concerns, some of them even completely made the fuck up. We commonly refer to this as the 'Chlorobad' campaign:

Fast forward to today, where Chloro simply goes:

You know a man who has seen shit. Who has been through shit. Who, when he regains the ability to think of the situation without exploding, he just decides to leave it in my hands.

My hands.

Knowing very well that I do not spare a single soul who would dare to even lay a hand on my silly friends, let alone my very own silly little green kitty.

Well then. Let's play, shall we?

'I'm here to know what happened to A3'

We shall start from there. What happened to A3 is that the aforementioned Chlorobad resistance has hit real deep, right into the A3 team. Here's a crash course of the events that led to Chloro quitting for good:

  1. I'll literally just leave the HTML Chloro was typing originally:

    [...] the shipping of me, an aro-ace 23 year old, and Reda, a 13 year old:

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    Chloro typed merely 313 question marks. In my honest opinion, this needs much more than 313 question marks.

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    Now it's 3313 question marks. Regardless of the amount, the answers aren't going to arrive any quicker; they are for later. As I was saying:

  2. Chloro, very much understandably, demands an immediate explanation, otherwise he would boot Cammie out of the team.

  3. The retard wars begin (linked: HTML export of the chat). I try to come into the discussion to help mediate between feelings as requested by Chloro.

    Cammie... pretty much immediately responds with casual dehumanization.

    She is not just booted out of the team; she is banned from the server. Get the everloving fuck out.

  4. Somewhere in the utterly incomprehensible discussion led by Vir7ual, and joined by pretty much the entire A3 dev team, passing server ownership to a neutral third party is considered.

    I go for it, because, eh, what could ever possibly go wrong? GoldYosh is going to show them!

  5. GoldYosh, the 'neutral third party', turns out to literally just be a front for Vir7ual and the rest of the A3 team to suddenly gain control of the server's administration, and for Chloro and I to be completely kicked out of it! (honorable mentions: my honest disappointment, the super beekeeper list, Thunder being confused at why she is super beekeeper)
  6. I am also arbitrarily removed from the A3 channels, by the hands of the same exact fucker who started hampering the baseless accusations in the first place! (screenshot the a3 chat where vir7ual is policing who is in the team)

Life under the GoldYosh empire

The current administration of The B33h1v3, at the time of writing this document, is a populist one. It does not matter how many times the community attempts to convince each other otherwise; a repeated argument is still one argument, and one argument with 0 base in ground reality is as good as 0 arguments at all.

Let us take a look at a chronological, deduplicated list of their concerns about the Chloro-type administration I've compiled across the various conversations, and see how the new administration fixes these issues:

Finally, the greatest server concern of them all:

[insert Chloro's list here]

Their own actions speak for themselves. Here's a nice ChatGPT summary that honestly perfectly describes this exact situation:

Populism thrives on outrage, not solutions. It’s when leadership stops being about competence or principle and starts being about telling the crowd what it wants to hear. Populists frame themselves as “the voice of the people” against some imagined corrupt elite—then promptly become what they claimed to fight.

In practice, it means decisions driven by popularity, not reason. Complex issues get flattened into slogans, dissenters are painted as enemies, and governance turns into spectacle. The result is usually instability, power hoarding, and destruction of institutional safeguards—because the mob’s will changes faster than truth does.

I'd also like to add the following points myself:

I mean, heck, even Deko, a random ass guy I know for being unreliable and sporadic, and who literally hasn't once touched a B3313 ROM would have done a dead serious better job at being a 'third party' to manage the server in place of Chloro or I.

They're diving into the lore wiki as well 😭😭😭😭

Erm... sorry, that's the wrong era. Let me recalibrate the B3313 drama time machine again. Fuck you, B3313 drama time machine.

There we go.

It is called the fucking LORE WIKI. If you are genuinely this mentally deficient as to seek out a LORE WIKI for answers to your big life questions, you have some real serious issues.

Let me present another 'Lore Wiki' entry, this one from the DougDoug cinematic universe:

Similar to how:

We are NOT the ones to go to for understanding your own system. We have never made a single claim that we would be a good resource for understanding your own system. There are plenty of resources available that are actually, you know, intended as resources to learn about and understand plurality. Learn to use a fucking search engine.

On a related note, Chloro has actually posted some thoughts regarding splitting himself up:

the thoughts are basically around 'Chlorobyte' being optimized for programming and dealing with consistent systems [e.g. tech], and trying to fit some sort of catboy personality into that just sort of not working at all

so what if 'Chlorobyte' was one part of a Plant.

this basically comes from the way Chlorobyte is not designed for social stuff, and trying to tack social stuff into Chlorobyte just sort of never worked out at all

it comes from a sort of part of the soul that wants to detach from just being a programmer

there's a part that sort of wants to be a cat that meows and creates stuff, which is different from the one that wants to run through the tech problems

that cat might even be different from a social me

and so all of this sort of created a big inner war that's preventing any of them from ever moving forward

all of them want to work at the same time and disagree when the others get their turns first for whatever reason

this plurality would be different from the copper plurality, it's not so much entirely separate people as it's 3 desires of a silly cat

the theory is that separating them out would sort of be like MoE in AI models

the chlorobyte remains good at solving big technical problems, but the problem solving part deactivates when the meowing is requested

and, probably most importantly, the problem solving part should NOT be the one trying to solve for a discord community's needs

especially when the people are clearly intentionally hostile

He is fully aware that doing this would NOT cause himself to become 3 different people. But even if he decides to go full on Pyra & Mythra with these modes, so what? Let him have some goddamn fucking fun in his miserable goddamn fucking life.

I know I'm going to be there to support him throughout however he decides to present these new parts to the outside world as. I know for a fact his friends will not turn into zombies and suddenly jump him for such a move. And guess what?

You can do absolutely fucking nothing to stop us from going down and supporting whatever path he chooses for them. So fuck off, go outside and touch some systems who don't have dream members if you really want to be racist against my kind.

But do not spread disinformation. Or, actually, go ahead; walk yourselves into some serious trouble with the cat mafia. Consider yourselves threatened, and spam the FBI with unnecessary reports of this page all you want.

Because whining up to the adults is all your kind is capable of.

And guess what the adults will do? Send you off to your 7:30 PM bedtime, and then share a laugh behind your back.

pedophilia

concerns from the vir7ual schizophrenia list: - deko being too uncomfortable talking about nsfw things with no consequence - making a document where you advocate for redefining the age of consent based on a maturity system of bullshit with qualifications like "being mature enough to install linux" - you having concerning behavior in relation to reda given the context of your political doc, like being obsessed with unbanning him and trying hard to get him onto the dev team, you also believed reda was 13 despite the fact at the time we had evidence of the contradictory

Remember the 3313 question marks?

If you know Chloro like basically any at all, you know he's a big advocate for people to not just consent, but understand how and why they consent. He cares so much that, in a document these people will now be throwing around and misquoting, he says the following:

I would like to raise a better definition of 'independent adult' to be used instead (and don't just blindly slap a number on the problem). This should include:
  • independent thoughts formed on an individual level, free from (or at least not majorly defined by) propaganda or any other singular source
  • the ability to avoid all other forms of abuse, including addictions, etc. (bye bye cigarette industry :troleft:)
  • currently living a free life, with no hard dependencies (should be able to survive even if every single loved one suddenly turns against them)
    • Yes this complicates romance - a marriage inherently trusts that the 2 people do not ever turn on each other. Another reason I and many others avoid relationships by a long shot, this trust does not work out in practice, see basically every single divorce that has ever been filed in history.
      (note: it has been noted by the deko that the issue is the commercialization of marriage services, as well as the overhyping of romance in order to drive people into said marriage services; religious marriage, at its core, is not intended to face such issues. we truly live in capitalism and its consequences)
    • This complicates work, but let's just say... if fired for any reason, one should just be able to find better work somewhere else. That's good enough. Ideal is if the person can financially function completely on their own, by selling services themselves. (home growing food/electricity/etc is also an option, but like... there's a reason we have community resources, so people do not have to resort to doing all of that individually :exploding_head:)
    • I could get to government and technical (e.g. Microsoft) dependencies too. If your country decides to crack down on your rights for any reason, can you leave to another one that respects your rights instead? One thing everybody could use is to please switch to Linux on your main PC at least for the love of god. Windows is literally a confirmed REMOTE ACCESS TROJAN, used to benefit the palestinian genocide, and your machine too, is contributing to that at least financially by allowing Microsoft to harvest your data and display sponsorships to you.
    • But at this rate I am just listing a whole bunch of things that could get its own document. Let's just put it simply - if you face any form of peer pressure and are not able to be yourself and think freely, you are NOT an independent adult and you ARE subject to abuse and exploitation. (Peer pressure is a self-defensive desire to conform to ideals that then feels bittersweet to follow - no shit, you are not allowed to be yourself, and you are being forced to be something else, something you are not, by the environment you are in.)

Hey; this is not part of the text file. This is me, Chloro, entering the document for a bit. I am one of those who would argue for the age of consent to be increased given the current state of things.

No amount of spreading this piece of shit I whipped up for no reason other than discussion is going to change that I have zero sexual interest in minors, and nobody is in any danger by me. In fact, my current opinion is that minors should spend their days when their brain is prime for learning, by... learning. Not by gaining an early addiction to the dopamine releases of you know what.

If this whole thing starts affecting my reputation to the point of hitting my finances, the defamation suit that follows is going to go incredibly hard. Especially when they get to this discussion in our DM group:

I am such an incredibly good predator that I am explicitly telling the victim how not to get into trouble.

Test area: buncha unprocessed HTML shit™ mainly from Chloro

'Both sides in the B3313 drama are evil' has not been proven any more right than by the recent incident in the Beehive. Here's a tl;dr:

  1. Copper posts a little bit 'too much' comedy related to B3313 drama in general, fueling the initial flames.
  2. Childish and abusive Beekeeper (moderator) loses their role in the server. They cry about it, and manage to get themselves banned.
  3. More and more people speak up about their 'concerns' (read: they start acting passive aggressive completely unprovoked, rather than attempt actual, adult communication in my DMs; some of them even brilliantly present themselves with a raid into the server, and post messages spreading complete misinformation on me/the server). Banned.
  4. Through Copper, we briefly observe the parts of the community who have gone into this insanity. And then, honestly, proceed to just keep blocking it out.

This is followed up by:

  1. A pretty reasonable demand for immediate explanation and to cease communication with these people, or to be removed from the team.
  2. The demand is flipped back onto me, by the entire team at once, filled with references to prior happenings.
  3. It is clear that there is an issue. Shocked, seeking a problem to be resolved, the server ownership is passed onto GoldYosh, a supposed 'neutral party'.
  4. The 'neutral party' proceeds to not be so neutral after all; the ownership transfer is followed by staff permissions freely distributed in-house, and simultaneously revoked from me and Copper; removal of Copper, an OG team member long responsible for QA from the dev chat.

the antiwoke list:

My opinion is that it is pointless to censor sex jokes to turn a place "Child Friendly" (read: boring). The children have already made their mistake by connecting to the internet without adult supervision. They already have the freedom to pull up any porn and other sexual material they could ever possibly get their hands on.

As a child, I, in fact, did not immediately explode upon seeing sex references. 🤯

[gif of natalie boobs]

This was my first notable exposure to sexually suggestive material, in the Epic Battle Fantasy series. Nothing happened to me; I shrugged it off as 'huh, I have no idea what this is but cool I got a medal', and just continued to play the game. Censoring sex jokes only makes the server less fun for the adult population, and, at best, only confuses the child population.

What's the worst that could happen?

Any attempt to hide sexual material seeks to reduce awareness on the matter. I hope that makes sense so far.

Being prevented from understanding the adult world is exactly how children are so stupid and able to be drawn into predators' hands. That's right. I am making the claim that the new B33h1v3 is more of a hub for child sexual exploitation than the previous one ever could have been.

The worst thing that has happened under my B33h1v3 are sexual jokes, and that singular drop of brief text material, which still had 0 relation to the minor population of the server.

It does not matter, as the message in question had just been casually reposted into the open within the #bee-politics discussion. The new B33h1v3 just made it easier for me to — hypothetically speaking — get new victims to play with.

Acknowledgements

Between all the trash emitted by the bee-type community, there absolutely have been a few genuine concerns.

As I put it earlier somewhere: 'the 10% genuine concerns do not validate the 90% schizophrenia'. However, the opposite also works: 'the 90% schizophrenia does not invalidate the 10% genuine concerns'.

There are points that I have taken out of my experiences leading the Beehive & A3's development, to improve myself going forward:

In conclusion:

Reaching this part of the document (legitimately, without skips, I hope) means that you care about A3 deeply enough to read through a silly green cat's ramblings about the new B3313 drama that just dropped.

I share that enthusiasm, hence why this hijacking of the project comes as an unfortunate shock to me,

On my end, I feel that after basically 4 years, it's time to finally move on from this binary, TrollEngine infested piece of shit of a romhack. There was simply nobody besides me who was autistic enough to learn how to juggle binary hacking just to make B3313 suck a bit less.

I hope that my contributions to B3313 have made lasting memories >w<

As for the offenders...

Imagine a list of the trolls here:

When any of these "people" are encountered, I want this to happen to them on the spot:

  1. Recall the pain Chloro felt as a result of this harassment and disinformation campaign, which was intentionally contributed to and perpetuated by every single entry inside the list. If imagination is low, simply picture the worst ever pain you have experienced during your entire lifetime. Next, imagine if this pain spanned a solid hour of real time.
  2. After that... put your weapon down. It is pointless to fight, in MALIBAL's paraphrased beautiful words, '...a phantom, zombie that doesn't exist. That is not a person. That is here to simply suck life out of the human. If it weren't dead and empty inside it would feel shame for what it has done.'

    Block the user on the spot. If managing a Discord server that values the mental and physical health of its members, you must go ahead and remove this user immediately, referencing this document as evidence of their inexcusable, intentionally repeated crimes as necessary.

    Failure to remove these users risks them inevitably finding a way to inflict the same exact pain upon another valuable person. They got ChrisRLillo, the original creator of B3313, with permanent mental damage and nobody left to save him; they tried to get Chloro, the game dev who did programming and design for B3313, but luckily I was there to save him from insanity.

  3. For a ban reason if the removed user receives it, the following phrase shall work:

    The internet never forgets :3